tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post5188707902105532263..comments2024-03-24T04:09:03.396-04:00Comments on The Cross Reference: Music: Three sheets of Gregorian ChantJeffrey Pinyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-34256394269901627672008-12-17T08:41:00.000-05:002008-12-17T08:41:00.000-05:00Thank you so much :)Your pictures are very nice ex...Thank you so much :)<BR/>Your pictures are very nice examples.<BR/>Regards.carolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10278663499738989787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-69880859769025142992008-12-16T09:30:00.000-05:002008-12-16T09:30:00.000-05:00carola - Absolutely! Feel free to use my pictures...<B>carola</B> - Absolutely! Feel free to use my pictures of my chant manuscripts. :)Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-38916471949518657372008-12-14T03:59:00.000-05:002008-12-14T03:59:00.000-05:00Hi,I'm doing some research in digital image proces...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I'm doing some research in digital image processing of ancient musical manuscripts, and looking for plainchant images I got yours in my search results. Actually, the first experiments I performed on this topic were using your picture of sheet 3A, before using the Digital Scriptorium database.<BR/><BR/>And here I want to ask you a favor...I need at least one public domain image to publish as an example on a technical meeting paper, and I just want to ask if it's possible to use one of yours.<BR/>Is just for academic purposes, and no profit will be made from it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks in advance, and best regards.carolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10278663499738989787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-88627959331271204862007-11-06T16:50:00.000-05:002007-11-06T16:50:00.000-05:00AV - thanks for helping fill in the blanks.I have ...<B>AV</B> - thanks for helping fill in the blanks.<BR/><BR/>I have no idea how the scholars posting comments at NLM can figure out that it's probably a Cistercian work. The age of it is awesome, though. At least 300 years old!Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-82597221034023681832007-11-06T16:11:00.000-05:002007-11-06T16:11:00.000-05:00Whoops...I just looked at the NLM comments and Pro...Whoops...I just looked at the NLM comments and Prof. Dobzay identified it as Cistercian. <BR/><BR/>I think the question marks in 1-B stand for "Ad Cantica Ant."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-40842688066461685382007-11-06T15:20:00.000-05:002007-11-06T15:20:00.000-05:00I think 3 A-B are the responsories at Matins sung ...I think 3 A-B are the responsories at Matins sung after each lesson, found the Advent Office of many breviaries. The red if you look says “In Secdo Noctno” – In the Second Nocturn. The order doesn’t appear to be the same as in the Roman breviary so I'm speculating that it must be from another one. The last part of the Responsory appearing on the first sheet is<BR/><BR/>R. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Spiritus sanctus superveniet in te, et virtus altissimi obumbrabit tibi: quod enim ex te nascetur sanctum, vocabitur filius Dei. V. Quomodo fiet istud quoniam <B>virum non cognosco? et respondens angelus dixit ei. R. Spiritus</B> sanctus superveniet in te, et virtus altissimi obumbrabit tibi: quod enim ex te nascetur sanctum, vocabitur filius Dei. <BR/> <BR/>The next entire responsory is<BR/><BR/><B>Salvatorem expectamus Dominum Jesum Christum * Qui reformabit corpus humilitatis nostrae configuratum corpori claritatis suae. V. Sobrie et juste et pie (next sheet)vivamus in hoc saeculo, expectantes beatam spem et adventuri gloriae magni Dei. R. Qui reformabit</B> corpus humilitatis nostrae configuratum corpori claritatis suae.<BR/><BR/>The next one is<BR/><BR/> <B> R. Audite verbum Domini gentes, et annuntiate illud in finibus terne: et in insulis quae procul sunt dicite: Salvator noster adveniet. V. Annuntiate, et auditum facite: loquimini</B> et clamate. R. Salvator noster adveniet. <BR/><BR/>The “V. egredietur” I think stands for<BR/><BR/>“V. Egredietur Dominus de loco sancto suo. R. Veniet ut salvet populum suum a peccatis corum”<BR/><BR/>Though in the Roman breviary it appears in the Third NocturnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-77485635105506579332007-11-06T09:41:00.000-05:002007-11-06T09:41:00.000-05:00darcy - yeah, the first and third sheets (the con...<B>darcy</B> - yeah, the first and third sheets (the consecutive ones) are certainly Advent-oriented, given the numerous references to Isaiah and the Luke passage. The weird thing is that it's a smattering of Scripture, a mix-and-match if you will.<BR/><BR/><B>GFF</B> - I'm terribly sorry about your parish's poor decision. It's unfair to you and the rest of the schola, as well as the rest of the faithful. Instead of sound liturgically oriented music, now they'll banality.Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-22763812341605473382007-11-06T09:14:00.000-05:002007-11-06T09:14:00.000-05:00Wow very cool stuff. I'm jealous.Our schola just...Wow very cool stuff. I'm jealous.<BR/><BR/>Our schola just got fired from our parish - we're no longer welcome doing Gregorian chant in the mass - it confuses the people and is just "entertainment" in the words of our new music director. The choir will go back to singing more appropriate mass songs like "Shine Jesus Shine" "You Raise Me Up" and "Wind Beneath My Wings".<BR/><BR/>Go figure :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23189415.post-54911656387143760862007-11-06T09:02:00.000-05:002007-11-06T09:02:00.000-05:00Jeff,Just based on the text, the first sheet looks...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Just based on the text, the first sheet looks like the Communion antiphon for the 4th Sunday of Advent.<BR/><BR/>http://www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/partituras/co_ecce_virgo_concipiet.gif<BR/><BR/>I wish I had more time to look these up, but I'm sure some people on The New Liturgical Movement could identify them off the top of their heads.<BR/><BR/>http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>DarcyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com